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#58 Reshaping Culture


Guests Alistair Hudson and Bernadine Bröcker Wieder with host Charlotte Burns

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#58 Reshaping Culture

BY Charlotte Burns
executive editor of In Other Words

Today’s podcast is a lively one, taking in authorship and authority, productivity and capital in conversation with Alistair Hudson (director of The Whitworth and Manchester Galleries), Bernadine Bröcker Wieder (CEO and co-founder of the Vastari Group, a platform connecting museums, private collectors and other exhibition organizers) and our host Charlotte Burns.

Taking different approaches, Hudson and Bröcker Wieder are both interested in what a more equitable art world would look like and both are invested in community and collaboration. 

The dialogue on democracy, community, tech and collaboration closes with a call for openness. “I see a big role for institutions reclaiming this territory of culture,” Hudson says: “How we shape and create our culture as being above and beyond politics and economics.”

Tune in today for more.

Click here for the full transcript. 

Charlotte Burns: Hello, and welcome to In Other Words, where we cover everything you wanted to know about the art world but didn’t know who to ask.

I’m your host, Charlotte Burns, and today we’re in Central London, joined by Bernadine Bröcker Wieder and Alistair Hudson.

Alistair Hudson was formerly the director of the Middlesbrough Institute of Modern Art, before being appointed director of the Whitworth and Manchester Art Galleries in February 2018.

Alistair Hudson: You’re never going to escape the system. Never, ever, ever.

Bernadine is the CEO and co-founder of Vastari Group, which is an online platform connecting private collectors, curators, and museums for exhibition tours and loans. Bernadine has featured on Apollo Magazine’s “40 under 40” list and served as a young ambassador for the Museum of London.

Bernadine Bröcker Wieder: We need museums to get on board of the revolution.

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Bernadine Bröcker Wieder

CEO and co-founder of Vastari Group

Bernadine Bröcker Wieder is the CEO and Co-Founder of Vastari Group, an online platform securely connecting private collectors of art, exhibition producers, venues and museums for exhibition loans and tours. Previously, she was a founding member of the team at Trinity House gallery on Maddox Street in London in 2010 and worked at Traffic Creative Management agency and Ralph Appelbaum Associates in New York. 

She is an advisor to We Are Museums, Cromwell Place, the Christie’s Employers Advisory Group and a mentor at the Founder Institute in London. She is also a Young Ambassador for the Museum of London. In 2018 she was selected for Apollo Magazine’s 40 under 40 Europe and was shortlisted for the Natwest Entrepreneur of the Year Award in 2017

Bernadine holds a Master’s degree in History of Art and Art-World Practice from Christie’s Education/The University of Glasgow and a Bachelor’s degree in Fine Arts from Parsons School of Design, New York, as well as a degree from the Altos de Chavon Design School in La Romana in the Dominican Republic. 

Alistair Hudson

director, The Whitworth and Manchester Art Galleries

Alistair Hudson is the Director of The Whitworth and Manchester Art Galleries and co-director of the Asociación de Arte Útil with Tania Bruguera. From 2014 to 2018 he was director of MIMA, Middlesbrough Institute of Modern Art, with a  vision based on the concept of the Useful Museum, as an institution dedicated to the promotion of art as a tool for education and social change.

He was educated at Goldsmiths’ College 1988 – 1991 and has previously worked at the Anthony d’Offay Gallery London (1994-2000) and The Government Art Collection (2000-04). From 2004-2014 he Alistair served as Deputy Director of Grizedale Arts in Consiton in the Lake District. In 2015 he was a juror for the Turner Prize and instrumental in promoting Assemble for their work on the Granby Four Streets project in Toxteth.

For more on Bernadine and Vastari:

  1. Vastari Group official website
  2. A New Museums Report Reveals the (Perhaps Lopsided) Calculations Behind Hosting Traveling Exhibitions“, by Tim Schneider for artnet News, 23 October 2018

For more on Alistair Hudson:

  1. ‘Useful art’ champion Alistair Hudson to run Manchester galleries“, by Ian Youngs for BBC, 11 October 2017
  2. MIMA’s Director, Alistair Hudson, talks art, ‘the elite’ & social change“, by Lolita Gendler for Palatinate, 12 February 2017

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